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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:20 pm

Disease? or addiction. Discuss...
I believe it is a disease.. and saying something "justifies alcoholism" drives me insane, because you might as well say it "justifies cancer."

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:23 pm

Ok heres my contradiction to this, If it was a disease, then could i hang around an achoholic and "catch it"?

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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:24 pm

You can't catch cancer.

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Ninja Yellow Monkey on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:29 pm

Cancer is developed by using drugs smoking being over weight, I do think they are both diseases because a disease aren't determined by if you can catch it or not, because there many diseases out there that aren't catch able and yes are diseases.


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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:30 pm

Ok then,
"justifies alcoholism" drives me insane, because you might as well say it "justifies cancer
How can you justify something that isn't your fault? You can't control if you get cancer or not. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002267/

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:31 pm

Carter wrote:Ok then,
"justifies alcoholism" drives me insane, because you might as well say it "justifies cancer
How can you justify something that isn't your fault? You can't control if you get cancer or not. http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmedhealth/PMH0002267/

Erm.. that was my point.. You can't justify cancer, nor alcoholism.

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Ninja Yellow Monkey on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:32 pm

yes you can, believe me I have had many people in my family get cancer and they were either over weight did drugs, or smoked, and the only case that didn't follow that criteria was my cousin who died at 16. So I think I know a little more about this than you do from personal experience.

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:33 pm

Cam, how many people in your family are alcoholics?

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:34 pm

So, then, if you can't control whether you drink then, I believe you used this analogy, then I guess I have no say in when I cut and when I don't.
None, eric.
Oh and i found this pretty interesting: according to the New Oxford American Dictionary, alcoholism is: alcoholism |ˈalkəhôˌlizəm; -hä-|
noun
an addiction to the consumption of alcoholic liquor or the mental illness and compulsive behavior resulting from alcohol dependency


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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Jess on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:36 pm

I've always thought it was an addiction. never thought it could be a disease...

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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:37 pm

Are addictions hereditary? Hm..

Cam, there is a difference between things in your genes EDIT... I SNIPPED THIS OUT. Please keep it on topic, though.


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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:40 pm


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Post by Ninja Yellow Monkey on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:42 pm

taking drugs effects your genes, and alcoholism effects how your mind thinks...so it's a disease

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Re: Alcoholism

Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:44 pm

Did you even click the link? Here's the third paragraph then:
Are you more likely to do drugs if someone in your family does?

The short answer is yes, because the risk of developing drug and
alcohol
problems is higher in children whose parents abuse alcohol or
drugs—but it is NOT a guarantee.


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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:46 pm

Carter wrote:Did you even click the link? Here's the third paragraph then:
Are you more likely to do drugs if someone in your family does?

The short answer is yes, because the risk of developing drug and
alcohol problems is higher in children whose parents abuse alcohol or
drugs—but it is NOT a guarantee.

http://alcoholism.about.com/cs/genetics/a/aa990517.htm

this is a better link. both my parents alcoholics.. I am not addicted to it, but I sure know as hell that if I ever stop drinking, I won't be able to stop. I'm not as strong as my mom is.

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Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:49 pm

Children of alcoholics are four times more likely than other children to become alcoholics, hmmm that doesn't sound like a 100% too me. Point is, just because your parents drink doesn't mean you will too

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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:50 pm

four times more likely?

correct me if I am wrong, but.. doesnt that mean.. 400% likely? like.. if you are twice as likely... uhh..?

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Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:52 pm

Four times more LIKELY, I meant that its not a guarantee that you will drink if your parents do.

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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:53 pm

ha.. so wait.. does that mean that if both of your parents are alcoholics, it would be four to the fourth power? i am 36 times more likely to drink. nice.

it's a disease

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Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:55 pm

You can say it all you want Eric, but wasn't it you that got on my case that I had to have a source when I posted in here? Not seeing a lot of sources Eric. Oh and check your math, Its four to the fourth power is 4*4*4*4 or 16*16, which is... O_O 265...........................................


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Post by KarmaChameleon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:57 pm

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disease_theory_of_alcoholism

i post this, but want to correct something..
it says that there are treatments to this, and that you can always stop being an alcoholic, but you are always an alcoholic. it's lifelong. maybe you're an alcoholic who doesn't drink (my mom) but you still are tempted sometimes and everything has their down sides.

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Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Thu Dec 15, 2011 11:59 pm

Is cancer lifelong? No. So your cancer argument is invalid. And the cutting thing comes to mind again, you never are truly done doing it Eric, you are still tempted sometimes.


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Post by KarmaChameleon on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:01 am

Can it be? yes.
Was it? there used to be no radiation, and for now, there is no cure for alcoholism..

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Post by Darth Pyrinikon on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:03 am

Um Eric, there are other things besides radiation. Surgery, to have the growth removed for example.

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Post by KarmaChameleon on Fri Dec 16, 2011 12:04 am

This is hardly a debate. Someone help him. (:

not all cancers are caused by "growths."


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